Motherboards

So let's talk about the book because it was back in 2020 when I came up with this idea of writing rebellious and of course I thought of you and we did our interview and I wrote the story and it's called Motherboards and so Let's talk about that first of all. Why is this chapter called? Well, I don't, cause I decided it was called this, but you'll know like what's the motherboard story.
Why, why do we call this motherboards? Because part of my story is about filling a suitcase full of old motherboards from servers and flying to other countries and taking long three hour bus rides down bumpy dirt roads. to land at a school with three or 400 young girls who have never seen hardware or touched any technology. They've never used a phone. They've never touched a laptop or desktop or been on a computer and teach them about the motherboards. and the components on them and just like in 30 or 40 minutes be able to take a room full of terrified girls who are afraid I'm going to ask them very hard questions and to sit them in small groups and teach them about all the components on those motherboards and at the end of 30 or 40 minutes be able to stand in front of the room. and hold up a motherboard and say, who would like to tell me what the processor is, where the processor is and what the job of the processor is and to have all these hands shoot up and that inspiration from just that very quick learning lesson and to watch these girls go from total fear to high confidence and to reduce their their fear of entrance into technology and to show them there's a place for them, they can learn this and they can do this and they can pursue careers in STEM is where we got the motherboards topic.
And I know that this would be a podcast and it would be audio so people wouldn't have had the privilege of just seeing the huge smile that came on your face when you said high confidence, your face just

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lit up. So how did you come from Silicon Valley Corporation job to being in a school in Rwanda teaching about motherboards? Tell us about that journey. So while I was working in technology companies in Silicon Valley, the U.S. State Department kicked off a brand new exchange program where they would bring in women from other countries to Silicon Valley for five weeks of professional and leadership, technical training and mentorship. And my company said, we're looking for women in our company to volunteer to be mentors for this program.
So I figured, I don't know, I'll give it a try. And so I applied to the State Department to be a mentor for this program and I was accepted. And that was in, that program kicked off in 2011 and I started in being a mentor in 2012. and the program grew each year so the first year there were 37 women and the next year 46 women and the next year more and now we're in 2022 and there's 115 women approximately invited from 21 countries across Africa, North Africa, Sub-Saharan, Middle East, and Central Asia all chosen to come into Silicon Valley.
These women have STEM careers. They're working for advanced skills. And we would go on delegation trips and travel to these countries and spend one week in their country delivering training to the schools that most typically the schools that they went to when they were young girls. That introduced me to this whole world outside of Silicon Valley. I was just very, very siloed in Silicon Valley. I wasn't doing a lot of training outside my local area.
And this introduced me to all these women who are working in STEM in these other countries and seeing the need for more knowledge and access, access to trainers, access to hardware, access to technology tools and tips and best practices and websites. There's many websites where you can access this content for free, but if you don't know they exist, it's hard to find them. So this just lit me up where I just no longer wanted to just work in Silicon Valley.
I wanted to be able to find work that took me out around the world, especially to places that had the least amount of resources.

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I could help make a difference in young girls' lives. And you've always been an adventurer, haven't you? I mean, we talk about that a little bit in the book where when you were 15 and you wanted to drive and you couldn't drive, I think until you were 16. So you got a motorbike and you've broken your leg, but you still got a fabulous photograph of you and your legs in like a plaster cast. but you're on this motorbike.
So you've always had this adventurous spirit, it seems, is that right? Yes, yes. As far back as I can remember, always wanting to go through my fear. I don't know why or where, but if something looks too scary, instead of saying, that's too scary, I can't do it. immediately go into the phase, the thought process of do it anyway. Don't let fear stop you from trying. And my older sister is the one that actually taught me how to ride a motorcycle.
Not my older brother, but my older sister had a motorcycle and she taught me to ride. And it gave me that freedom to get around town at 15 or 15 and a half years old instead of waiting until I was 16 to be able to legally drive a car. We were allowed to ride the scooters when we were younger. And it was just that wanting, that drive to want to be out and about. and not have to wait for others to take me or wait until I'm older.
And the motorcycle itself is, to me, I just love it. It's very much a free spirit ride. Like you just have the wind in your hair and you can go fast or you can go curvy or you can go slow. It's an exhilarating ride. I still love it. Do you know, I've just remembered that I did a vision board in 2006, and I've still got it. And I talk about it sometimes in my seminars, because there's a picture I put on it of my husband, Robert.
It wasn't actually my husband, Robert, but I managed to meet someone that looked just like him, right? So everyone's like, oh my God, vision boards work. But I'm remembering that there is a picture on it. I have sent it to you. There's a picture on it of me, well, two women on a moped. One of them sort of looks like you, like she's got long gray hair. I'm wondering if that's you and me, because most of the stuff on the vision board has in one way or another sort of come true.
I mean, it's a long time ago now, but that's the one piece I was looking at recently. I think I wonder what that's all about, because I've got the worst balance. and I'm a terrible driver. So I know I can't ride a motorbike. I know I can't. It's just not in my life's destiny, but I'm very happy to be on the back of one. So maybe that's something for us to think about in the future.
You and me, kid. and i love the scooters we have the scooters all around town now and i just love any excuse to get on a scooter and ride it i've ridden horses fallen off and gotten back on horses i've crashed my motorcycle and fallen off and gotten back on my bike i could just um there's just a part of me that just like if i was given this life i'm gonna live it to the fullest i i just can't hold back

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I love that about you. There's so many things because I think a lot of people, they might be in jobs like you were in when you were in Silicon Valley and they might think, you know, I'd love to do something like that. I'd love to make a difference, but maybe I have to go and work for a charity or gosh, Rwanda or wherever it seems a long way away. But the fact that there was, you saw this opportunity for this program, and I know that you got, I think you funded part of it yourself first of all, and then you managed to get your boss. to fund more and more of it so you could do more and more of these trips and so you're very you know very pragmatic about it because obviously there's benefits to the business for doing these kind of things as well but i mean you can see huge benefits here one of the things i really like just want to go back to one of the story we're going to talk all about iraq as well but um The first time you went, you took hairdryers and a clock radio, didn't you?
And I just thought that was so funny because first of all, I was like, yeah, that makes sense. I take things that girls can take apart and realize how to put them back together again for technology. But they'd never seen a hairdryer or a clock radio, right? You couldn't plug it in either to do a demo. So you must have got a bit silly, did you? It was pretty funny because I…
I thought, how brilliant, I'll take a hairdryer. Every young girl, you know, everybody knows about a hairdryer and I had already taken it all apart and cut the cord. So there was no cord to plug it in, but they didn't understand what it was because they live in the part of the world where it's not needed or that they don't have access, or it would be considered quite a luxury to have a hairdryer.
So trying to explain to them what it is and to be holding a hairdryer up to my hair and then making the blowing sound. trying to explain to them that it dries the hair. They thought it was very funny and entertaining. So, and I think it also helps as a presenter, like when you make yourself vulnerable, it's part of that building that trust and that net, that the engagement with the students, because they're so used to teachers or trainers being put on a pedestal and a role of authority and to come in and be goofy and you know do pantomiming and make mistakes and and be silly just really breaks the ice really fast and it gets them to interact at a much more authentic way than just to listen to a lecture from from a teacher so it worked out to the advantage of that but it was pretty funny that they had no idea what I was talking about.
You were very well-intentioned. I thought it wasn't the same with the clock radio as well, because you couldn't plug it into just like this little black box. So like, you know, what the heck is this thing? But I love it when you were talking about the fact that then you started to pack your bag full of these motherboards and, you know, you're taking these motherboards out and just such a great way of inspiring girls around the world about tech, but such a great way as well of inspiring yourself.
Like you did something, as you said, you know, you, you've always had this adventurous spirit and you've always wanted to travel and have this freedom and you learn so much about the world and you started to realize what, what it is you wanted to do. And now you're, and I know you don't mind me saying this, you know, you're in your sixties now and you.

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you've just come back from. Tell us about the last job you were in, because I think this is where the story goes as well. We won't give away too much, but it was 2020 and you were applying for jobs. Yep. So I was working for the state department and different embassies were hiring me. So I'd fully transitioned out of the full-time job in Silicon Valley. And I had worked hard with all that critical planning to be able to transition to a full-time job getting paid by U.S. embassies in the State Department to go to different countries to deliver training.
So I would be out of country for a couple of weeks and home for a couple of weeks and then back to another country and I was ecstatic because it took me a long hard road to get what I wanted and I was doing it and then COVID hit and I had to stop traveling and it was in March of 20… 2019, 2020, March 2020, we had to stop a trip that we were doing in Pakistan and come home right away because of COVID.
And all my trips started getting canceled and I need to find new work. I could have easily transitioned right back into the work I was doing in Silicon Valley. I was living there. I could leverage that network and go back to work, but I wanted to still do this other work that was much more authentic and heartfelt for me. So I just started applying to jobs in other countries where I could be there and kind of ride out COVID.
And I accepted a job at the American University of Iraq in Sulaimani and to build a tech accelerator from scratch, which I've never done, which is terrifying in itself to say, yes, I can do this in another country where I don't speak the language. I've never been there. And I spent the majority of COVID either living in Iraq or living in the countries very close to Iraq so that I could support them.
And I spent 18 months building and delivering the first tech accelerator in Iraq for the startups there. And it was a phenomenal experience. And I walked through fear to get myself there and to be successful in that role. It was pretty amazing. This is one of these moments, right, where I think

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And when I first heard this story or people listening would go, oh my God, that's amazing. Good for her. But what the F, you know, like why would you do that? How would you do that? So I'm going to dig into it because I'm lucky enough to know some of the detail of this. Right. So we're going to rewind the second. You did a really good job of the like five second thing that took a lot of effort on your part.
So I want to go back to the point where you applied for a lot of jobs. This wasn't easy. This wasn't like, Oh, you know, I'm it's, it's March, 2020. I'm going to apply for a job. And now I'm in Iraq. You, you applied for a lot of jobs. This was a stressful period in your history. You were doing the job of your dreams. And suddenly like many people all crashed down and you could have gone back to Silicon Valley and everyone would have said, we completely understand it. of course, that's the right thing to do.
It's the safer option. And I know you apply for a lot of jobs. And I also know that there was the option of a job in New Zealand. So I just want to talk about that for a second, because if everyone goes back to COVID, if you remember New Zealand, it was like New Zealand, the only place on the planet. COVID seems to be sensible, run by a sensible person. And I think that, yeah, if I was going to choose anywhere in the world, I probably, if I could have done, I probably would have, you know, run very scuttled very fast in New Zealand, but you didn't, you went to Iraq.
Can you talk us through what the heck was going on in your head at that moment? You know, it's funny, it's twofold. One is, easy versus challenging. New Zealand felt easier because the people in New Zealand would be more like me. There'd be more English speaking. There'd be less cultural differences. And it almost felt like going back to a job I was doing in Silicon Valley. It just, it felt like an easy path and not as impactful.
And going to Iraq felt like more of an adventure and more impactful to those that I'm helping and making a bigger difference. And so I just, I'm just driven by, if I'm going to do it, I'm going to do it with purpose. And I want to be able to help as many people as possible. And I want to be able to help those with the least resources, like go to the places other people aren't willing to go.
So New Zealand can easily find somebody else to fill that position. Iraq is not going to easily find somebody else to fill that position. So I was going to say I'm not afraid, but that's not true. I have fear. I'm not afraid to take the harder path even when it means walking through more fear than the easy path. And part of it is just the adventure. It's like, oh my God, I can't believe I'm going to try it.
You know, I'm going to try Iraq. This is going to be wild. You know, there's a part of it that's for the thrill and the adventure. And there's part of it that's for personal growth. I learn a lot when I put myself in really, really challenging positions. I get a lot of personal growth, emotional growth, spiritual growth, professional growth. The bigger the challenges are, the more I get to grow. And I like that.
I like being challenged and I like the opportunity to grow. So, and then part of it is I just love the adventure. So I'll take the harder adventure. Just to say, you know, most people don't go, oh my God, Iraq, I can't wait. But I know that there are people that do. And one of the things I love about your story is

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this isn't just some kind of like, oh, I'm going to Iraq now. Oh, I'm going to New Zealand now. Like you actually, I want to talk about how you research. I want to talk about how actually very pragmatic you are because I know that, well, there's a couple of things I know that I'm remembering. One, you talked to women that live in Iraq and you it made you feel better and they answered your questions.
And of course, there's many people that are on the same kind of path as you. So I think you really found your tribe in doing that. The other thing I love about what you did, and I think it's, gosh, it's so brave, is you sold your car, didn't you? You just kind of sold everything. So you, in America, so you couldn't go back. And I'm so smart. I just made it as hard as possible to come back so that I would, would not give up easily.
So yes, I did do a lot of research first and I did not just jump on a plane and fly there blindly. I asked when I was given the offer, I asked for some time and I started doing some research and I reached out to other people who have been in Iraq, who have lived not only where in Iraq, but in the region where I was going to live and work at the same campus where I was going to work.
And I interviewed people that were not referred to me by my employer, but that I went and found through my network or on my own and asked them about living there. And every single one of them said, it's worth it. It's safe. It's an experience of a lifetime. You won't regret it. You will feel safe and go for it. Not a single person said it's risky or it's not safe. And every one of them was right.
Like, I mean, living is more on the harsh side when you compare, you know, living in California to living in Iraq. Obviously, you don't have a lot of the conveniences, but I did feel safe there. And it was a wonderful adventure. The people that I met were phenomenal. And I just, to me, there's just so much about the people and just making those relationships and helping each other and learning from them.
So I did not go blind. I did do a ton of the research. And in California, you can't live without a car. Everything you do is with the car. I've been driving since I was 15, like we said earlier, and I've always had a car. And to me, it was really interesting how selling my car was the threshold that was. Like there was emotion around and it wasn't just like, I love this car.
It was because if I get rid of my car, this is real. This is real. You're leaving. You're leaving for a really long time. And when you're in Iraq and things are really hard, you're going to second guess. Because everybody would just say, oh, if it's not good or if it's hard, just get on a plane and come home. Just get on a plane and come home. Like everybody made it sound so easy, right?
And I didn't want to make it so easy. And so I sold my car, so that I had to put it on this long checklist of if I came home, these are the things that I would have to do to get myself reestablished back in California and buying a car was one and to a lot of people, they might just think that that's really simple. Like, well, you sold a car, you just buy another car.
It's not a big deal. But it it actually is like coming home and having a car in the driveway is like you never left. coming home and not having a way home and then when you get home not having a way out you know it just it just made it a little bit harder it made it more challenging I also rented out my home to my sister so that my home wasn't just sitting empty ready for me that there was somebody else living there it was their home and it would be an inconvenience for me to move in on them and so I did everything I could to

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you know, put up some barriers, but also have a safety net. So it was both that make it hard to come home, but also have that safety net. If you needed to, you could, you could, you could pop back home if I had to. So, so smart. What did your friends say? Your family, your daughter, like, were they go for it, mom? Or were they like, what the heck are you doing?
Like, what was the response from those closest to you? So my, my girlfriends were very much about, are you insane? What are you thinking? And when I went, when I first started doing the interviews, I even told them like, of course I would never take this job in Iraq, but it's a good interviewing experience. And that's where I had started it from was that I may never take this job, but I need to get interviewing experience.
So I'm going to do it. And that was my first line to my girlfriends. And they all said, you know, that's great. But then when I started talking about I'm really going, they were very, very nervous and very unsettled and really didn't want me to go. And then when I started sharing with them about the results of the research, they got a little bit more comfortable, but still very hesitant. I have two populations of girlfriends, those who understand and were also mentors in the TechWomen program and so they were also traveling to the Middle East and Central Asia and Africa with me on those delegation trips and so they more understood what I was doing because they understood being in hard to reach places and delivering training and how fulfilling that is.
And then there was this other population of girlfriends who love to go on vacation but don't go to those same types of places. And so it's a bigger stretch for them to believe actually living there. And then my son and my daughter, they're adults. And so my daughter was very clear and just said, I don't think that I could do it And I know that you wouldn't do it without researching it.
And so if you believe it's OK, I believe it's OK because I believe in you and I believe that you wouldn't do it if it wasn't OK. She's like, I don't trust myself that I would do it, but I trust you and I trust that if you're going to do it, I'm going to support you in doing it. And my son reluctantly nods along and says, OK, if big sister says this, then I'm going to go along with it.
I think he was very nervous about it, but neither one of them ever told me, please don't go. Because I think they also understand the impact of a child telling a parent, please don't go. That would have weighed really, really heavy on me. And it would have been very hard to make that decision to go. If my children say, please don't go. And neither one of them said that. And I think that they, they understood why they understood the, the weight of that.
They probably have some experience. I mean, this is after saying I'm in Kazakhstan for a week. I'm in Uzbekistan for a week. I'm in Rwanda. I'm in Zimbabwe. So they're already used to me being out. I had just come home from Pakistan. So it wasn't unusual for me to go off on these trips. What do you think the benefit is of

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getting this kind of global experience. I mean, I just want to sort of, I have a few women I know right now that are looking at moving roles within their corporations and they're going to different countries and different things. And I, you know, it's a hassle, right? In so many ways, especially, especially I'm going to say, if you've got a family that are trying to find a school for the kids and the rest of it.
I just feel like it's worth it though. I'm just trying to encourage more of this sort of global understanding from so many levels. And I'm thinking of, you know me as well, I'm always going somewhere and doing something and more and more dragging the family along reluctantly sometimes along with me. But what's your view on the benefit of opening your eyes up like this? I could cry because that topic is so big and so emotional.
There's just so much personal growth that comes from putting yourself in a foreign land where you don't speak the language and you have no friends there, you have no network there. You have to depend on you and you've got to be strong enough to figure out. like how do I get from the airport to my home? How do I get food in my home? How do I get to where I'm going the next day?
How do I keep my commitments? How do I find pleasure in the community? You know fun things to do and it's exhausting. It's really exhausting and you know there have been times where I've actually had thoughts like okay. I can either keep driving on this map that's making no sense to me at all and I keep getting lost. It was the first time I ever experienced roundabouts. We don't have them in the U.S. and so I was I would just shoot myself off in the wrong direction and it'd be miles before I realized I'm in the wrong direction and then try to self-correct and try to self-correct and you know late late late at night and have no idea where I am and just pull the car over and say All right, I can cry.
I can just sit here and cry because I'm on the verge of tears. I just need to cry. I can sleep in the car. I can just give up and sleep in the car and just be done with it and try again in the morning. Or I can try for 10 more minutes. Let me just try for 10 more minutes and see if I can get there and, you know, and find where I'm going in those 10 minutes.
Thank goodness. Find where I'm going, but…

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The amount of resilience that it takes is far beyond anything that you'll experience when you challenge yourself in your own space, in your own community, in your own language, in your own streets, right? Like take yourself out of those places. And that resilience makes a difference in who we are and how well we can maintain as we get older and as we get challenged by our community. So you come back home again and there's challenges around you. how resilient are you to those challenges?
Do you get really, really fed up and frustrated because you're stuck in traffic and you're late for work? If that's all you know and that's the space that you live in, that stress might really, really impact your health. But if you travel around the world and put up with all of the insane things that happen, sitting in traffic for a little while, it's like there's zero stress. It just rolls off of you.
That impacts your health, stress impacts your health. So even though there's stress in those challenges, the resilience that it builds in who I am, I believe is better for my health in the long run. And I become much, much more humble, much more caring and forgiving and peaceful around those around me. So when I'm in my back in my home community and I'm seeing things happening around me, I have so much more compassion for people and what they're going through.
And we don't know each other's story. We don't know why this person is homeless sitting on the sidewalk. I have no right to judge that. Absolutely no right. And that could be me for all if my life had flipped other ways. And the same for anything that we experience. Why people are doing the things that they're doing. I don't know, just so much more compassion and humility that I wouldn't stop doing it unless it became just incredibly too hard to do.
I was thinking about, you know, sitting here in America, the amount of people in this country that have never left the country, they don't even have a passport. And, you know, yes, there is so much to see and do and experience in America, of course, but

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you know that that ability to have that global perspective that you have and then bring that back home i'm wondering about the positive impact that that could have on this on this country and on many communities and all the issues and challenges that are going on here right now do you believe you're leading a rebellious life i believe that i'm leading a rebellious life when it is compared to the average but i don't feel like it is rebellious when compared to my compadres and my peers.
Like there are posses of women that are living this life. And I'm in some groups where there are single women traveling around the world like fiends. I mean, there's just thousands of these women. They're doing things that I find much scarier than what I'm doing. And I just… So when I'm in this this pod and surrounded by people that are like-minded like me, it doesn't feel rebellious. It just feels like I'm keeping up.
I'm playing along. I'm having a good time and there's women that understand this and they're doing it as well. And then when I'm outside of that and I'm out in average, like just for average community and meeting, I've just moved to a new town recently and so I'm making new friends in my new town and so Yes, they think I'm rebellious. They think that what I am doing is outrageous and adventurous and, you know, and breaking all the norms.
So there's a little bit of novelty in that, but then there's also the joy of being with people who understand it. You don't have to explain it a lot. You know what I mean? Oh, I do. I do. I do. I mean, I think you were talking to peer group and being around people who get you and don't think that you're completely, you know, off the wall. In fact, you might think you're quite tame, but she only went to Iraq.
I mean, what's the big deal? I mean, so to be around people, number one, that get it, that are not like, you did what? Oh my God. Cause that, don't you find that can be exhausting sometimes, like sometimes when, when people are asking stories about my daughter, Grace, and Oh, did you go to Congo? Yes. You went to Congo. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. And, and, and, you know, you kind of tell the story and everything and, and, but then people that are like, all right, you know, you went to Congo.
What's the, what's the biggie. I think that it's, it's quite a relief. Don't you think sometimes when you can be around people that get you, and then when you're around people that are doing even more adventurous things, even more rebellious things. doesn't it push you to want to be more, do more, make a bigger difference? How does it help you being around people like that? It gives me the confidence that it's okay to keep doing what I'm doing.
And it gives me the confidence to share about it and not be quiet about it. One of the things I was just

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thinking about, and it was kind of a realization for me as you were speaking, you are the motherboard. Oh my goodness. That's very interesting. If I take the motherboard and I changed all the components to different countries and then use myself as the connector of the communications between all of these. So the motherboard is like a roadmap where it sends all the messages. It gets the messages between the devices on the motherboard.
So it holds the messages and moves them around between all of these different components. And I have been told that I am a connector, like a super connector. And because if you say you need something, if I know somebody who does it, I'm going to stop and take the time to find that person and make sure that you get introduced to them. And I do that all the time. it's simple to me it's simple and to me it's the right thing to do and so in the your your analogy is correct it's really funny we've never looked at that before but that very much i um i am a connector and and really enjoy doing that yeah it's like i have this image of you know like in i think it was like in the 80s with these I remember these giant, well, you would know better than me working Silicon Valley, but you know these giant computers in the rooms, you know, these huge, huge things that are now like the size of your nail on your finger.
But this motherboard that you are sending out all of these messages around the world. And I know that you are very humble about what you do. I know that you come from humble beginnings and we didn't. talk much about that but we'll let everyone have to read the book to find out a little bit more about this isn't a story of privilege, this isn't a story of you coming from such a great family to be able to do whatever you wanted to do and you now being able to, you've had significant struggles and I want to acknowledge that and I'll say what I say in my the end of the chapter.
I don't know if you remember what I said. Do you remember what I said? I said, when I grow up, I want to be Eileen Brewer. Seriously, I do. But you bring all of the same joy and inspiration to the world. You have, you do it, you are.

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I appreciate that. And I'm, I'm looking for my next adventure too. So we need to, we need to, we need to keep talking. We need to keep talking and figuring out where in the world we need to go next and what we need to do. Final message. What do you want to say to those that are listening to you and hearing your story and feeling your inspiration and rebelliousness? So. When I come up with ideas of something that I want to do, like maybe a career shift or a new hobby or a side business, what I do is I will inspire you to do the same, is to break it down and figure out how can I get there in small steps.
So it wasn't just one day that I took one delegation trip to one country and then I came home and said, okay, I'm gonna shift my career. It took five years and but it was through diligent strategic planning and setting it up so that I could do it. And so I just inspire you to think about what are your dreams? What are your biggest dreams? and start putting together very small incremental steps that move you toward those dreams.
And it could be anything. It could be asking your boss for a little bit different type of work, or it could be reading certain books or learning a language, or it could also be saving small amounts of money on the side. And I will also say, don't say no.

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Because oftentimes people see in us what we don't see in ourselves. And so they may present you with opportunities that on first glance you might say no. I encourage you to say yes as often as possible. I encourage you to stretch and to challenge yourself and walk through the fear. All of these things I've done with fear. It was not without fear, but it was because the desire for the adventure was much bigger than the fear.
And so figure out what it is that you need to do to overcome the fear. Maybe it's some research, maybe it's interviewing people, maybe it's doing pros and cons lists, whatever it might be, or talking to some advisors. But really look at your fear and figure out whether or not it's just some old deep-rooted myths and beliefs that it's time to get rid of. And then say yes every chance you get and And I'm not talking about getting on, just getting on planes and flying to other countries.
I'm talking about whatever it is that you want. I don't care if it's just, you know, starting a new business or moving across, you know, two states over, whatever it is, just really look at where your fear comes from, research, address it, build some checklists and start making little milestones and say yes as often as you can. And you'll be amazed how much your life can change. Well, you did it. Thank you.
I'm inspired. You're trying to figure out what your next gig is. I'm just trying to figure out what to do with my kids for summer break. That's my biggest challenge right now. Send them somewhere. Do we try some? big adventure all together as a family. Or do we just stay at home and not deal with any of it? So yeah, I'm going to take that step by step and really, really figure that out.
I would love, can we please know each other forever? Yes, of course. For sure. Thank you very much. And ever and ever and ever and ever. Thank you so much. And carry on being rebellious. Your rebellious

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spirit is so infectious. It really is. It's just, I can feel it and it makes me want to do more and be more. And there is so much power in being around like-minded, rebellious women. So some reflections on the podcast interview that I just did with Eileen Brewer. I mean, really, we did touch the iceberg of who she is and what she's about. I do want to say that there is so much more to this story and so much vulnerability to it and so much commitment and resilience to her being who she is and she is someone to watch.
She's got so much more to give, so many more places to go and so many more women and girls and everyone in fact to inspire. She is the motherboard and I'm glad that she got that. this time and we talked about that and I hope that you will not be intimidated in any way of oh god I couldn't do that if that's something that you're you're feeling I hope that you find your own version of what she did and follow that dream and if you weren't intimidated and you didn't think it was that much at all and I hope that it stretches you even more to be able to be rebellious. and to find that freedom and go on your own adventures.
So enjoy the journey.

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